Five Syriac inscriptions mentioning Arabs have been found at Sumatar Harabesi, one of which dates to the 2nd century CE. One may argue that they existed until 106 CE, i.e. This bears enough similarity to the description of the Thamd dwellings in theQurn to induce certain authors to claim that they are the houses of the Thamd. In addition, when the verses talk about Verily there is a sign in this, it doesnt necessarily mean that we have to see the sign i.e. The Nabataeans were nomadic Arabs who moved into territory vacated by the Edomites Semites who settled the region centuries before them. Among such nations were the 'Ad and the Thamud, the Amalekites and the Himyar after them, the Tubbas, and the other South Arabian rulers (Adhwa). Assalam alikum forget the rest of what Ive put down but I was just wondering does 36:41 prove that every one on the earth comes from the people of tge ark if yes then how does that work because people could still see thamud dwellings so that means they could only come thousands of years of go but we know noah had to come near them but we know humans have been here at least 40 thousand bc so how do we explain this, Assalam alikum thanks for the answers but thamud had to be destroyed no lesser than 3000 bc not 800 bc jazzakallah because thamud came before Abraham jazzakallah but thanks, Also if the quran says the area is wadi al qura then madian al saleh is not wadi al qura jazzakallah but thanks, But of course in there empire day they would of probably built in wadi al qura and al ula and madian al saleh and else where in there area because they would of had a large population any where between 20 thousand to 50 thousand people because mekkah and median together came to 20-40 thousand people in the prophets day and 40:21 says these people were more in population so they had to be more than mekkah and median, Assalam alikum also dies 7:74 mean that Thamud were the descendents of ad or not or were they they descendents of ad jazzakallah. Yes, I understood but if you read my comment, youll see that this problem is addressed. Sargon defeated these tribes, according to his Annals, and had them forcibly deported to Samaria. Missionaries and polemicists seize upon the error of this folklore as an alleged example of the error of the Quran, but in reality, this is not the case. The wordings themselves state so and all the tafaseer also state this. Qur'anic accounts of Salih always follow those of Hud. The most striking thing about the Thamud was the huge buildings and structures they built into the sides of mountains. [Sahih Muslim, Book 55, Hadith 49]. Now today, Thamudic ones have not remained and what is preserved are the Nabatean ruins, Assalam alikum I think what the people are trying to say is if I got this right is that the hadith says dont enter the homes houses of thamud so the verses makes it sound like the houses were still standing tall back then and some non muslims use this hadith to say the muhammad peace be upon him thought that these houses that were built by the thamud but that he got it wrong because these tombs were built by the nabtions not thamud and Ibn Kathir thought the same this is what I think they mean. People descended with the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, to the valley of Hijr, the land of Thamud, and they drank from the wells and kneaded flour with it. Continue the discussion, Ok thanks so what does atharan mean in classical arabic or can it mean effects and results in classical arabic as well can it mean made as well as left jazzakkallah, And you said that there remains will show they once were better then you do you mean like if throw there might only be a few bricks left those bricks will still show they once were better because of the size of those bricks and how they were carved and the same with broken pillars even this they are broken the size of the circle shaped and the way they are cut they show that they were once supier and still are by the relics than you is that what you mean jazzakkallah by there relics show they once were better even there not that great now like old roman and egyptian bricks not standing but lieing down decaying but we can still tell they built better stuff like all I have to do is find one large bone of a dinosaur to know they are big that I dont need to find a lot of bones to know that is that what you mean jazzakkallah, I mean witch of these sound more like what the verses are saying 1. These prefixes ignored in the alphabetical ordering: Al, Banu. Amend their accusation to now include the Bible also. How do we explain 27:52 29:38 22:45 28:58 91:14, Assalam alie kum, it is a good attempt to answer the criticism of the of the people who have always found some crookedness to stand their point against Islam. Thirdly, the hadith you quoted isnt the only hadith on the topic. Though one could argue that they knew of Salih and hence Allah could hold them responsible, but this is speculation. Suppose if Nuh ( ) came 40,000 years ago or even 100,000 years ago and the few hundred or a few thousand people were destroyed by the flood, then it would not be difficult to believe that human population reached in millions, further subdividing into nations, communities, and tribes, after thousands of years. The same can be said of Median Saleh, much of the area is still hidden under sand. Will you forbid us to worship what our fathers worshiped? They said, "li, We used to have such great hope in you. _ Story of Aad _tafseer. Ad and Thamud were two great civilizations destroyed by God due to their excessive wickedness. Im trying to understand the arabic like why do some arabic words have al before some words when we dont use them like in verse 2:36 (But Satan caused both of them to deflect from obeying Our command by tempting them to the tree and brought them out of the state they were in, and We said: Get down all of you; henceforth, each of you is an enemy of the other,50 and on earth you shall have your abode and your livelihood for an appointed time.) in this verse in arabic it says al Shatan why doesnt just say satan instead of if translated the satan because that would sound weird These people incurred the wrath of God and were destroyed. where they used to live. The Qurn mentions the Thamd as examples of the transitoriness of worldly power. [24] The major migration to the region by Arab tribes was in the 11th century when the tribes of Banu Hilal and Banu Sulaym, along with others, were sent by the Fatimids to defeat a Berber rebellion and then settle in the Maghreb. Have not read their own bibles. The exact details of their faith are not mentioned much in the Quran, but it was definitely something that was practiced by most of the society. 5. And 'Ad and Thamud (people)! After several centuries of independent existence, it was finally incorporated into the Roman empire in 106 AD. The Aad werent about that. 15:75 can also be interpreted as a HISTORICAL sign/reminder when referring to the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. They are related to the Banu Abs tribe.[33]. Tribes originating in the Arabian Peninsula. [18] According to the Quran, the Thamud were the successors of a previous nation called the d, who had also been destroyed for their sins. They were elites. After the Arab conquest of Persia in the 7th century, many Arab tribes settled in different parts of Iran, notably Khurasan and Ahwaz, it is the Arab tribes of Khuzestan that have retained their identity in language and culture to the present day while other Arabs especially in Khurasan were slowly Persianised. Thamd, li, al-ijr, Gods She-camel, Arabia and the Arabs by Robert Hoyland, Professor of Late Antique and Early Islamic Middle Eastern History at New York Universitys Institute for the Study of the Ancient World, pg 68. As were dealing with an allegation that is mostly Christian in origin, I am going to start with what the Bible says about the topic. 3 Southern Europe. So what we see are Hellenistic structures built by Midianites taken over from the Thamud. Updates? Hence, the Prophet (s) and his companions did visit the land of Thamud and reflected upon the ruins of many idolatrous peoples found there, but they did not claim that any of these specific artifacts belonged to the first tribe of Thamud from the Quran. Thamd, in ancient Arabia, tribe or group of tribes known to be extant from the 8th century bce to the 5th century ce. Other ahadith mention that this was the land of Thamud ie. Possible answer: Their messenger lived before or even during the time of Isa (as), this also the time where this site flourished, but when they denied him, Allah did not destroy them immidiantely. But the Thamud cut its hamstring or otherwise wounded it. They are aws and athiri in origin with element of arphaxad [15] A major source of income for these people was the taxation of caravans, and tributes collected from non-Bedouin settlements. 10.can al hijr be somewhere else like al ula The Bible Jazak Allah, Ok thanks jazzakkallah that about it thanks but out of the 8 theorys I put down before witch one would you pick to be the best interpretation thanks and when you say (archaic) do you mean that are civilization is better then the people of AD relics or the other way round that there relics are better than are houses or do you just mean there relics are better then the mekkahans houses and madian houses etc I didnt really understand you by that bit but thanks for your helping jazzakkallah. And perhaps, over the generations, these people developed their own magnificent society with its own special hallmarks and characteristics. And We gave them Our signs, but from them they were turning away. Khawiya seems to mean destroyed/overturned but the term could possibly mean ruined too. It was these nine families that cause much of the problems for Salih. 9. If you keep that mindset, youll go far, Inshallah. Long before the Roman empire, before Alexanders conquests, even before the great Persian monarchs, there were the Assyrians lords of much of the Middle East, and archetypes of almost every empire that came after them. This genealogical relationship is further reflected in the theory . Are these tourist sites now identified at Madian Saleh the same as those we see discussed in the saheeh ahadith during the Tabuk expedition or is that a different location because these sites are identified as built by Nabataens and not Thamud and are considered much later than Thamud people (if we consider the finds to be absolutely authentic that these are Nabataens who built them. These Arab tribes have played a role in the demographic changes in the Arab world through the increase of the Arab population,[8] as well as the ethnic, cultural, linguistic, and genetic Arabization of the Levant and North Africa.[9]. Doesnt 14:45 talk about there dwellings were standing tall untouched, If you could get back to me that would be great jazzakkallah, 14. Compared to modern civilizations of this time that we live in, these were still archaic and that is just sign of the times but compared to those who came after them in the lands, these destroyed civilizations were e definitely stronger. According to Dr. Nehme, a senior research scientist at the French National Center for Scientific Research, the Nabateans have left us with almost no written material that would shed any light on their origins or even daily affairs. In light of these points, in my opinion the only reasonable conclusion is one of the following: 1) That the dwellings of Thamud were destroyed some time between The Expedition of Tabuk and today. A. Yusuf Ali wrote: The Thamud people were destroyed by a dreadful earthquake which threw them prone on the ground and buried them with their houses and their fine buildings., A terrible earthquake came and buried the people [of Thamud] and destroyed their boasted civilization. Ptolemy (d. 168 AD), describes a people called Oaditai8, bordered by Aramaeans to the north, and Thamud to the south, close to what is today called Wadi Ramm. Are women deficient in intelligence in Islam? [5] In 1846, many Arab Rashaida migrated from Hejaz in present-day Saudi Arabia into what is now Eritrea and north-east Sudan after tribal warfare had broken out in their homeland. in general: W. Caskel, amharat an-Nasab, das genealogische Werk des Him Ibn Muammad al-Kalb, Leiden 1966. harvnb error: no target: CITEREFElling2013 (. Good reply Adeel. I dont know and this is a good aspect of the Quran; it does not go into such things and instead instructs us to focus on the message and not the nitty gritty. Regardless, the thamud tribes structures remained for people to see according to Quran. The Qu'ran (89: 6-13) refers to the 'Ad people; the unique high peaks of Iram, and the Thamud who carved the rocks there, and has been interpreted as an account of how 'Allah dealt harshly with the people of 'Ad who were corrupted by wealth and the delights of the flesh. This also makes it clear that the people were punished. The tribe refused to heed him, saying that Salih was merely a mortal, and demanded a sign from God. [24] These tribes advanced in large numbers all the way to Morocco, contributing to a more extensive ethnic, genetic, cultural, and linguistic Arabization in the region. [18], On the eve of the Rashidun Caliphate's conquest of the Levant, 634 AD, Syria's population mainly spoke Aramaic; Greek was the official language of administration. More than a century after Jesus, in the reign of the Roman emperor Marcus Aurelius (d. 180 AD), we find that a part of the Thamud tribe was enrolled in the Roman army. There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him! Mostafa Badawi, in his book Ancient Prophets of Arabiasays thatthe people ofThamdlived in the 8th century BCE in the al-Hijr region and were destroyed. Witch of these sound more like what the verse is meaning, 5. Furthermore, their prophets, Hud and Salih, are often considered two fo the four Arab prophets that Allah sent to mankind. 7. Compounding the confusion is the fact that the tribal name Thamud is applied today to a broad section of different peoples throughout history, not only to those mentioned in the Quran. The Quran states regarding them: , And to the Thamud [We sent] their brother Salih. Doesnt matter if they were destroyed before or after Ibn Kathir and the land is not in Yemen. They are called "Skulls" because it is thought that the skull is the most important part of the body, and the majority of Arab tribes are descended from these major tribes.[37][38][39][40][41]. The calamity must have been fairly extensive in area and intense in the terror it inspired for it is described as a single mighty blast, the sort of terror inspiring noise which accompanies all big earthquakes.. Create a free website or blog at WordPress.com. While every effort has been made to follow citation style rules, there may be some discrepancies. The shout, which is an extremely loud sound, might have caused the earthquake, according to certain scholars. They are often discussed when Allah is directing our attention to people who disobeyed Him and were punished as a result. Like the people of Ad, they erected huge buildings on the plains and hewed beautiful homes out of the hills. This is attested by Safaitic inscriptions (beginning in the 1st century BCE) and the many Arabic personal names in Nabataean inscriptions. [19], To the Thamd, We sent their brother, li. Shaitan (Satan) made their deeds fair-seeming to them, and turned them away from the (Right) Path, though they were intelligent. Their responses were a reflection of this culture. 5. Thamd, in ancient Arabia, tribe or group of tribes known to be extant from the 8th century bce to the 5th century ce. So they used to carve and not they still carve. Ok thanks jazzakkallah but do you think the verse can be in past tense and the verse you quote above in your article 89:9 is it talking about homes on the plains or homes in mountains and the verse makes it sound like they could see these houses in the mountions so it makes it sound like this verse is saying the tombs are thamud dwellings so how do we explain this verse or is it just saying they used to do that like ad used too do pillars in the verse before or is that verse saying as well they could still see those pillars jazzakkallah sorry to keep bothering you. Thus, we can say that perhaps this ones were the Nabataeans. [30], In the 12th century, the Arab Ja'alin tribe migrated into Nubia and Sudan and formerly occupied the country on both banks of the Nile from Khartoum to Abu Hamad. Instead, the camel is killed by a certain "accursed Amar", and the camel's foal stands upon a rock and curses Thamud, leading to the tribe's annihilation except for a single lame woman who is spared to spread the message of the destruction. Yet as we have seen, the Quran does not claim any of these specific sites belong to the ancient tribe of Thamud per se. Edomites, Lihyanites and Nabateans inherited this skill? This implies that the carvings in Madain Saleh (which in fact date to the first century CE) are not from the Thamudians, but rather their successors many centuries later in the same area. According to the Quran and the Islamic exegetical tradition, the Thamud were an early Arab tribe who rejected the message of the prophet Salih. Whereas the people who did cravings in al-Hijr were Nabateans. God sent down a milch camel as his sign, and Salih told his countrymen that they should not harm the camel and allow it to drink from their well. 74], , And certainly did the companions of Thamud deny the messengers. It does not state, however, who made the inscriptions. During the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), the Quraish would debate with him and ask him all sorts of questions. [6], Thamd is also mentioned in Classical sources. They were more sophisticated than the Aad. Both. This is an odd conclusion. So bring on whatever punishment you say is coming to us.. In the worst cases, they may even go so far as to challenge Allah. (3). The Targum is,thou art like to an eagle that dwells in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is in a high place;this they were proud of, thinking themselves safe, which deceived them; hence it follows: that saith in his heart, who shall bring me down to the ground? Certain objections can and may arise with the above narrative. Archaeologists should do their job the way they do and in case of any finding, they can confirm whether it conflicts with the Quran or not; if it does not, then there is nothing wrong to proceed with it further but if it does, then archaeology needs to be further examined however, such an occurrence would never happen since the Quran is from God. The Christians are claiming that the Qurans statement about Thamud carving structures in the hills and mountains is demonstrably false as the structures are built not by the Thamud but by the Nabateans, who came much later. After the given time was over, an earthquake shook the land violently and destroyed the people of Thamud in one cry. Trudy Ring, Noelle Watson, Paul Schellinger. If we try to discuss the lineage of the Arabs well be here forever. Man, you must be crazy. [22], The first wave of Arab immigration to the Maghreb began with the conquest of the Maghreb in the seventh century, with the migration of sedentary and nomadic Arabs to the Maghreb from the Arabian Peninsula. We do not take it as a science book and neither should we take it as a book of archaeology. And it is We who were the inheritors. The Quran tells us that the people of Ad started to build altars on the high places, and even strongholds in the mountains. And indeed (their destruction) is clearly apparent to you from their (ruined) dwellings. 1. The Quran and Sunnah do not identify any specific existing ruins as belonging to the first ancient tribe of Thamud, although some Muslim historians and popular folklore have done so. [5] This entire passage has been sent by Waqar. And you said the nabteons built over them so if they built over them all then how could the prophet see them or the quran describe them when they were built over by them and by the time the prophet came because the nabateans came before jazzakkallah, But these are the last 5 questions and thats it sorry to keep bothering you it is that Im getting all the information I can so if Im ever questioned then I can answer them jazzakkallah, Sorry just 2 more but thats it most of these questions are yes or no But we can conclude from the verses of the Quran that they lived sometime after the flood of Noah and before the time of Ibrahim (AS). He sent Prophet Hud (AS) to the Aad, and Prophet Salih (AS) to the Thamud. Can you explain how 89:9 is in the past tense (used to carve) because the AL (the) before the mountions bit makes it sound like in the preasent like specific if you know what I mean jazzakkallah If not, then why do we need to find the remains of Thamud? Thus, Nabataeans later reused the rocks and made them to graves. They are mentioned in the Quran as examples of civilizations that Allah had destroyed because of their sins and as signs of the fleeting nature of the worldly power. The Bible makes a claim that a particular time in history, a people who lived in in the kingdom of EdomEdomites predate the Nabateans or the current historically accepted date of the structures carved from the mountainscarved out structures in the hills and mountains. their country was called Arabia Petraea, the rocky; and their metropolis Petra, the rock: Jerom says that they that inhabited the southern part of the country and dwelt in caves cut out of the rock, to screen them from the heat of the sun: or, thou that dwellest in the circumferences of the rock F16; round about it, on the top of it, in a tower built there, as Kimchi and Ben Melech. Instead, they tried to engage Salih in debate. 4. Some sources say the time period of the Thamud, as mentioned in the Quran, was about four generations after the Aad. Those people rejected their prophets and did not follow the correct way and Allah did destroy them. Assalamualaikum I dont believe 27:50-53 is necessarily referring to their houses existing at the time of the Prophet SAW when they tell us to behold the sign therein. But certainly, there is some potential that something like this may have happened. According to Arab tradition, the Adnanites are called Arabised because it is believed that Ishmael Spoke Aramaic and Egyptian then learnt Arabic from a Qahtanite Yemeni woman that he married. from there I will bring you down, The Thamud did not worship God, and were disobedient. It may very well be that during the time of the prophet, certain structures were still apparent to them that are now hidden due to natural occurrences, such as earthquakes, accretion of sand and erosion with time. A similar narrative can be found in Jeremiah 49:16 After all, camels were and still are pretty common in that part of the world. Its almost impossible to know for certain that the many tombs with Nabatean inscriptions are indeed constructed by them, especially when we know that only 15% of the area in Petra has been excavated and examined. Archeologists have put these ruins from the first century BCE and the first century CE. The tribes of Arabia descend from either one of the two Arab ancestors, Adnan or Qahtan. Or is that verse just saying what they used to do in the vally This structure is not only large enough to house several individuals, but contains benches which suggests that it served some social function, hence it can qualify to be called a place of dwelling. Nabateans replaced them and built on them/around them, 4. [17] The Muslim governor of Egypt encouraged the migration of tribes from the Arabian Peninsula to Egypt to increase the Muslim population in the region and to strengthen his regime by enlisting warrior tribesmen to his forces, encouraging them to bring their families and entire clans. Or there fallen down relics are still better than you houses now 3. or there fallen down relics show they are/were better than you 4. Here you can read various translations of verse 38. It had no written law, but the tribal leader played the role of ruler. As for option 2, we know next to nothing about the Thamud. Can someone please answer 89:9 because Im really stuck on this verse. "Thamud are an ancient Arabia, tribe or group of tribes that seem to have been prominent from about the 4th century BC to the first half of the 7th century AD. As regarding to the Ahadith from Ibn Umar (as), they seem to be a interpretation of him itself, the prophet (as) says nothing about them. Dont ever think youre indespensible. As menitoned earlier, the Aad were a strong, brutish, and conquering people. Also what time do you think noah ad and thamud came. It mentions the elusive city of Iram (mentioned in the above Quranic verse), and reads May Abdallhi son of Atmo be remembered for all time before Allt, the goddess of Iram.. The Prophet ordered that the drinking water be split and the flour given to the camels, and he ordered them to drink the water from the well to which the she-camel (of Salih) had come. Jumping the gun, 2. Why? The Fatimid era was the peak of Bedouin Arab tribal migrations to Egypt. Perhaps they wandered through the Arabian Peninsula for some time looking for a new home. If the Bible tells us nothing more, at least it illustrates that carving out structures on mountains predated the Nabateans, and that is all we need to refute the Christian allegation against the Quran. As we know, he gave the nations some period until the determined day of punishment. No doubt! 2. And remember when He made you successors after the Aad and settled you in the land, [and] you take for yourselves palaces from its plains and carve from the mountains, homes. They carved-out habitations on the hills and mountainscaves constructed on high places. From the overall area of a few miles, that particular area of a few feet had Thamudic remains. In addition to building gigantic structures, the Aad were also conquerors. Of course, when they challenged Allah and His Messenger like this, they were just inviting destruction. [29] The second Arab tribal migration to northern Mesopotamia was in the 10th century when the Banu Numayr migrated there. - - * - and make your nest among the stars, Now imagine if people arrive from Latin America, find Mount Rushmore, and make a few inscriptions on it. The scripts used in these inscriptions is mostly Hismaic and Safaitic writing systems native to Arabia, and quite distinct from the one later adopted for writing the Quran. [ Qur'an and Suhih Sunnah - Islamic Knowledge ]. But as is clear from the above discussion, Thamud were thriving as late as maybe the 4th century AD, while the people of Aad have left their final trails, only a few centuries before that. The Thamud were scientists. The hadiths show that there were wells present in that particular spot attributed to the Thamud. who occupy the heights of the hill. Al-ijr is now a vast plain, interspersed with hills into which what looks from the outside like houses or tombs have been carved. Thank you for answering my questions thanks I just have 2 more questions then Im done then ill leave it jazzakkallah 3. you who live in the clefts of the rocks, They are the idumeans( Edomites), Prophet Abraham pbuh was a Chaldean who had, People of uz autocorrect sucks sometimes, The quran pretty unambiguously says that the people of Nuh were a globalised civilization, so your timing seems a bit off, Your email address will not be published. Having similar names doesnt mean much 14. What else do you have in mind And so, when Our command was fulfilled, by Our mercy We saved li and his fellow believers from the disgrace of that day. You have no god other than Him. [5], A surviving letter from Nabonidus, a sixth-century BC king of Babylon, includes an order that a "Te-mu-da-a Ar-ba-a-a", apparently "Thamudi Arab", be given several talents of silver. Assalamualaikum what do u think of the carbon dating and the presence of wells? 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